Showing posts with label Waterfront. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Waterfront. Show all posts

Sunday, 1 March 2020

Harbour dishrack, possibly real inspiration for design

I've always thought "cockle shells" was a retrofit explanation designed to impress councillors eager to spend up large on Visions - infrastructure can wait, eh.


Maggie McCormick that moment i thought they were bench of dishes

  • Mike Cooper Kinda like this

     

    According to the sales pitch its design is relevant to Dunedin's Harbour because it references cockles.
    Cockles?
    Really?
    Mussels possibly, old bleached shells. That's the best fit for the shapes in the design. Or tuatua, toheroa, pipi. But cockles - pfooey! Pull the other one.

    Architecture Van Brandenburg’s cockleshell-shaped building proposed for the Steamer Basin area....

Friday, 30 August 2019

"Waterfront plan cut back call by climate group"

Waterfront plan cut back call by climate group


From Facebook:
  • DCC staff countered saying the waterfront plan was designed to accommodate predicted sea-level rise over the next 50 years, and sustainability is part of the vision.
    Comments
    • Paul Allan Symons It’s a flop, they can not get a building permit and yet raise the money for the construction, another big stupid idea from muppets

  • Victor Billot There is a complete disconnect here. It is obvious to any rational person that the coming decades are going to be massively challenging at best. The focus has to be on planning for this and future proofing our infrastructure and basic services.
    Instead we are on some quest to compete with Dubai or something, to appeal to whom?

  • Dave Smith It's an AWESOME project and Dunedin needs it!... Our Harbour is so under-utilised and could be used for so much more but you need to invest to get investment returns.

    • Lisa Yonker It's cos its bloody freezing down there even on the hottest day. I would never want to go to Steamer Basin to hang out

  • Dave Smith well, some of us scuba dive it.. some of us wind surf it.. some of us swim in it and soon.. some of us will golf in it... Maybe it's not as bad as you think? ;)
     
    Mark Jamieson We don't NEED it....you WANT it....if you had to pay for it I bet you wouldn't. And what about what future generations "Need" not bloody debt thats for sure.

  • Dave Smith Mark Jamieson I guess it all comes down to if we want a progressive city or a city that's laden in old decrepit buildings...

  • Hanna Lin Dave Smith Spending money on development that is mostly decorative doesn't sound progressive to me.

  • Dave Smith Hanna Lin Unique architecture is in it's own right a tourist attraction... It's a good looking building, and buildings bring money.. take the train station.. the most photographed building in the southern hemisphere.. take the Sydney opera house.. many people travel just to see it... Decorative = attractive = tourism interest...
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    • Kerry Stewart Such a not a good time to do this. Rates a far out of control now and if you think this type of project will be on budget I think you need to wake up and get a taste of reality.
       
      Lyndon Weggery Kerry Stewart - meanwhile we are still waiting for Hon. Shane Jones to come up with central government funding from the PGF.

    • Sandy Price Just leave the harbourside productive businesses alone!


    • Sarah Ellison Would they just fix what needs to be fixed before spending any money on fantasy vanity projects please. I pay my rates to get value for my money and I am afraid that it's not really happening at present.
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      Lyndon Weggery Speaking from a South Dunedin perspective it would be helpful for Nicola Penfield to tell us what are the official sealevel rise projections in the next 50 years given there was no cause for alarm given by Sue Bidrose at the recent South Dunedin Community Hui.

      • Ken McHoull Lyndon Weggery After a $60000 rise Bidrose will make herself known, never heard of any of her accomplishments, what are they?

    • Lisa Yonker They were all in the article about her pay rise actually, along with the fact she tried to decline the money, saying it was unfair to other council staff


    • Jared Smith I also think it looks quite extravagant.


    • John Fridd Not many people know that what's being planned is a new Atlantis. They build it, then the sea rises and drowns it and hey presto - a new tourist attraction!
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    • Sophie Read Someone please fix up Rattray st! It looks so manky!

      • Dave Smith It does I agree.. but they are private buildings and nothing to do with the DCC.
        Richard M K Lewis (SCAN) Almost spelt out SCAM. Hilarious though that they have a facebook page...must mean they use technology. Hypocrites!


    • Rachel J Page Regardless of climate change. Do we really need this debt right now? There's a lot to be fixed and built with out monuments being added.

      • Ben Blackmore Rachel J Page how often are we likely to get a subsidy for this type of thing from the government? Do you think National will stump up with anything?

    • Rachel J Page I would love for it to go ahead. I am just concerned as a ratepayer. 

    • JanferieSefo Kelekolio Lol where did the houses go on the peninsular?? This could be millions of dollars under water if what they are saying about rising sea waters is going to happen...... Maybe they should make a giant see thru bubble that you could go down into look under water and ontop of water....??

    • Darrin Evans Bet it doesn’t go ahead with such a proactive council like Dunedin has.


    • Ted McArthur never mind climate emergencies, what about the impending alien invasion? Zombie Apocalypse? Unicorn extinction? JUST BUILD IT, FFS


    • Alex Mcewan Here comes the anti Dunedin progress brigade.
      • Jared Smith I hate progress almost as much as I hate that bridge

    • Alex Mcewan Jared Smith then you can help fall even further behind and be even more stuck in the past.the harbour basin is embarrassing .I love the new idea


    • Alex Mcewan Robyn Dennison I love it Robyn I think it will be good for Dunedin the teeth on Portsmouth drive are ugly.


    • Lisa Yonker The bridge alone will cost at least $450 per rates houeshold. I would love to know what return people think they are getting for that $450 exactly


    • Alicia Frost I love the design its lovelyand enhances the harbour regardless. I think it will help the city boom even more than it is


    • Mark Jamieson As much as I hate this water front development ... I have to point out that there IS no climate emergency, there is no global warming problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7lgKjvAqt4
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    • Maire Bouman Morgan No surprises there...all the climate dogooders come out in protest and put a stop to any progress in Dunedins development....looks like we are stuck with Hogwarts! Would be nice if they at least upgraded public transportation....the stinky black smoke blowing diesel monsters are polluting the ozone!
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Tuesday, 16 July 2019

Waterfront:


$100m key for waterfront



Steamer Basin. Photo: Gerard O'Brien
Steamer Basin. Photo: Gerard O'Brien 

.........The Otago Daily Times has previously reported only that the city was seeking a major allocation from the fund, understood to be $50 million or more.
Former city councillor Hilary Calvert, in a column published earlier this year, had suggested the "eye-watering" sum being sought could be twice that amount, at $100 million, but the parties involved have refused to confirm exact figures.
But, posting on social media in recent days, Cr Lee Vandervis may have inadvertently confirmed the figure - until now discussed only behind closed doors - was $100million.
In a post discussing the council's planned investment in a pedestrian and cyclist bridge to the waterfront, he said spending on the bridge was a "prerequisite for $100 million of Provincial Growth funding".
Cr Vandervis' post was removed yesterday, but came just weeks after councillors received an update on the waterfront project during the non-public part of last month's full council meeting.......

.........Damien van Brandenburg and Dunedin businessman Ian Taylor, the men who first fronted the waterfront development vision, also had no comment yesterday.

Full article  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/100m-key-waterfront

Saturday, 6 April 2019

Waterfront vision - Ian Taylor in stadium-promoter mode

I'm getting an acute attack of the deja vu's, how about you?


 www.odt.co.nz/opinion/waterfront-bid-platform-future

Waterfront bid a platform for future







With deliberations around Dunedin's provincial growth fund application for the waterfront area reaching their final stages, Duendin businessman Ian Taylor addresses the importance of public debate being informed and factual. 
Ian Taylor

In the coming week the independent assessment panel for the provincial growth fund will meet to consider our application for the waterfront vision.
If the panel were to make its recommendation to Cabinet based on opinion pieces such as the recent offering from Dr Robert Hamlin, a lecturer in the University of Otago's marketing department, and others, we could rest safe in the knowledge that the decades of neglect that has been the hallmark of our waterfront would continue for decades to come.
Fortunately, the panel will be informed by an $820,000 feasibility study and business case paid for by the provincial growth fund.
That's a serious commitment by the Government, not only to our ratepayers, but also to all New Zealand taxpayers who are funding its $3 billion investment in the provinces.
If Dr Hamlin wants rigour in the debate, I can assure him we have had that in spades.
Prepared by independent consultants, the business case is a comprehensive commercial, structural, and environmental feasibility study that was presented to key government agencies in December last year.
Since then, the business case has been the subject of a rigorous evaluation process by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment.
Given the amount of investment we are seeking from the fund, and the competitive nature of applications from across the country, we would expect nothing less..................  
www.odt.co.nz/opinion/waterfront-bid-platform-future

Friday, 5 April 2019

Waterfront vision, costs scrutinised - Rob Hamlin - ODT

Waterfront idea simply fails to stack up









When it comes to Dunedin’s proposed waterfront vision, Robert Hamlin urges everyone to think carefully.
In a recent opinion article Angus Mackay (25.3.19) suggested that the ratepayer contribution to the new waterfront development would be: "linking the cycleways together, inclusion of green spaces, shrubbery, parking, lighting, seating and stormwater flow, but this will likely be a relatively minor cost''.
Indeed? When Forsyth Barr Stadium was proposed, business was to pay all its costs and that consequently no ratepayer funding would be required. Eventually, nearly all of the stadium's costs were funded by ratepayers or taxpayers. Business was just not interested.
The reasons for this are easy to calculate. Assuming a cost of $200million and repayments span of 20 years, the required debt repayment comes to $16.9million a year at 5.9%. Actually, the bill would have been a lot higher because the banks would charge a higher interest rate for risky business proposals. A more realistic commercial interest figure would be 12% - which gives a repayment figure of $26.5million a year.
Then there are the running costs of the stadium, which the DCC is careful to disguise within the workings of DCHL, but which appear (optimistically) to be in the order of $8million a year. This gives us an annual "business'' cost for the stadium of $34.5million a year. Thus a business simply to break even with its "private'' stadium would have required an act to come to Dunedin and pay it a $665,000 fee every week, without fail, for 20 years.
Predictably, businesses did the sums, found this scenario to be wholly incredible and sensibly kept their wallets well out of harm's way. Regrettably, the Dunedin City Council at the time did not do so, as this process came to life.
The current annual cost of the stadium to the ratepayers (assuming the lower interest rate) appears to be around $25million a year. This is a straight loss, as it appears that this is not in any way offset by revenue as it seems DVML pays its occasional acts to use the stadium rather than the other way around.
One has to rely on indirect analysis, as the nature and direction of any stadium-related fees paid are "confidential'', to put it mildly. Most of this loss goes straight out of the city as debt repayments, which are not included in any economic impact assessments of the stadium.
All this being said, the stadium is a "sunk cost'' that is powerfully backed by its proponents. However, we should heed the lessons of it, in order to avoid a repetition. This community, now approaching a billion dollars in debt and with a catastrophically and strategically neglected infrastructure, simply cannot take another ``hit'' of this magnitude.
This is why we need to carefully examine this latest "whizz-bang'' proposal that will apparently cost us a few cents. One look at these designs would suggest that no private onshore developer would construct this design given the extravagant nature of the structures and the terrain on which they are to be built. The hydraulically deposited mud in this location is hundreds of feet deep, and new land will have to be created in this hostile environment before these ferro-concrete extravaganzas can be placed upon it.
The business case is also weak to non-existent. Mr MacKay describes what will be there as: "... five-star hotel, a cultural (convention) centre, a science (climate-change) innovation centre, apartments and cafes''.
We need to know exactly how much this development will cost to construct, and how the direct revenue streams for each of the activities listed by Mr MacKay will use the facilities of it and combine to create a direct revenue stream that will exceed that amount.
If we start to hear the predictable rubbish about "economic impact'' then you may be sure that this direct revenue will not be forthcoming, and that you, the ratepayer, will end up footing the bill. That bill may eventually include your water supply, your power supply and the port - so think carefully.
Finally, much has been made about the need for a "managed retreat'' from South Dunedin. If so, then why on earth would anybody make a massive investment at the same height above sea level in the same place? Recent events in Wellington indicate the global insurance industry is getting selective about what it will insure in this country. A massive mud-based development a few inches above sea level is unlikely to impress it. An uninsurable asset (building and contents) is a worthless one, and this complex would be a stroke of a reinsurer's pen from being exactly that. Given this, Mr Mackay's inclusion of a "science (climate-change) innovation centre'' has a certain droll humour to it!
  • Dr Robert Hamlin is a senior lecturer in the marketing department at the University of Otago